Hillary

[JerryD(upstateNY)]

Another fact Marcus won't believe and won't look up because it might burst
his bubble by revealing the truth.
Liberals will never believe the truth.
Hillary, in the last two years, has made $21,000,000.00 delivering speeches,
mostly to banks.
Of course, they are not bribes for things she can do for them when she is
elected president.

JerryD(upstateNY)

[Marcus]

Post by JerryD(upstateNY)
Another fact Marcus won't believe and won't look up because it might burst
his bubble by revealing the truth.
Liberals will never believe the truth.
Hillary, in the last two years, has made $21,000,000.00 delivering speeches,
mostly to banks.
Of course, they are not bribes for things she can do for them when she is
elected president.
JerryD(upstateNY)

Here's another thing YOU won't believe. I can't stand Hillary. I'm a Sanders supporter.

[s***@yahoo.com]

Post by Marcus

Post by JerryD(upstateNY)
Another fact Marcus won't believe and won't look up because it might burst
his bubble by revealing the truth.
Liberals will never believe the truth.
Hillary, in the last two years, has made $21,000,000.00 delivering speeches,
mostly to banks.
Of course, they are not bribes for things she can do for them when she is
elected president.
JerryD(upstateNY)

Here's another thing YOU won't believe. I can't stand Hillary. I'm a Sanders supporter.

yup! I had ewe pegged as a bolshevik bernie fan many months ago.

[Marcus]

Post by s***@yahoo.com

Post by Marcus

Post by JerryD(upstateNY)
Another fact Marcus won't believe and won't look up because it might burst
his bubble by revealing the truth.
Liberals will never believe the truth.
Hillary, in the last two years, has made $21,000,000.00 delivering speeches,
mostly to banks.
Of course, they are not bribes for things she can do for them when she is
elected president.
JerryD(upstateNY)

Here's another thing YOU won't believe. I can't stand Hillary. I'm a Sanders supporter.

yup! I had ewe pegged as a bolshevik bernie fan many months ago.

Well, Sherlock, you probably read that I was a Sanders supporter right here in this newsgroup months ago.

[Jan]

Post by Marcus

Post by s***@yahoo.com

Post by Marcus

Post by JerryD(upstateNY)
Another fact Marcus won't believe and won't look up because it might burst
his bubble by revealing the truth.
Liberals will never believe the truth.
Hillary, in the last two years, has made $21,000,000.00 delivering speeches,
mostly to banks.
Of course, they are not bribes for things she can do for them when she is
elected president.
JerryD(upstateNY)

Here's another thing YOU won't believe. I can't stand Hillary. I'm a Sanders supporter.

yup! I had ewe pegged as a bolshevik bernie fan many months ago.

Well, Sherlock, you probably read that I was a Sanders supporter right here in this newsgroup months ago.

Tough choices. On the one hand a pathological liar, on the other hand a
septuagenarian who would make the 19 trillion debt look like small change.

Jan
"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

[Marcus]

Post by Jan

Post by Marcus

Post by s***@yahoo.com

Post by Marcus

Post by JerryD(upstateNY)
Another fact Marcus won't believe and won't look up because it might burst
his bubble by revealing the truth.
Liberals will never believe the truth.
Hillary, in the last two years, has made $21,000,000.00 delivering speeches,
mostly to banks.
Of course, they are not bribes for things she can do for them when she is
elected president.
JerryD(upstateNY)

Here's another thing YOU won't believe. I can't stand Hillary. I'm a Sanders supporter.

yup! I had ewe pegged as a bolshevik bernie fan many months ago.

Well, Sherlock, you probably read that I was a Sanders supporter right here in this newsgroup months ago.

Tough choices. On the one hand a pathological liar, on the other hand a
septuagenarian who would make the 19 trillion debt look like small change.
Jan
"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

Is it worse to incur more debt or to have an infrastructure resembling Germany's after WWI?

Marc

http://marccatone.webs.com/untilthebirdschirp.htm

[Jan]

Post by Marcus

Post by Jan

Post by Marcus

Post by s***@yahoo.com

Post by Marcus

Post by JerryD(upstateNY)
Another fact Marcus won't believe and won't look up because it might burst
his bubble by revealing the truth.
Liberals will never believe the truth.
Hillary, in the last two years, has made $21,000,000.00 delivering speeches,
mostly to banks.
Of course, they are not bribes for things she can do for them when she is
elected president.
JerryD(upstateNY)

Here's another thing YOU won't believe. I can't stand Hillary. I'm a Sanders supporter.

yup! I had ewe pegged as a bolshevik bernie fan many months ago.

Well, Sherlock, you probably read that I was a Sanders supporter right here in this newsgroup months ago.

Tough choices. On the one hand a pathological liar, on the other hand a
septuagenarian who would make the 19 trillion debt look like small change.
Jan
"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

Is it worse to incur more debt or to have an infrastructure resembling Germany's after WWI?
Marc
http://marccatone.webs.com/untilthebirdschirp.htm

I don't see what the tale told in your URL has to do with anything.
If you continue to increase your national debt, you will have an infrastructure
resembling Germany after WWI. From what I've read, you currently have about 45% of
the population who pay no tax at all. Which means you have 45% takers depending on
about 55% makers, however, remove public servants from the total and the numbers of
takers changes upwards. That debt has to be re-paid at some time, if interest rates
increase, which they probably will, your debt will become a major burden.
Sanders seems to want to dramatically increase the number of takers, that way lies
bankruptcy.

Jan
"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

[Joan F (MI)]

At any rate the real reason for the huge debt is all the unnecessary "wars"
or police actions, etc., that we get involved in. There is a plan to
upgrade our whole nuclear arsenal which already is sufficient to make the
entire earth uninhabitable. Spending on infrastructure boosts economic
activity which results in more incoming tax money. We need to concentrate
on improving our people, adequate nutrition, good schools, health care, etc.
That is what makes a country strong. If everyone was healthy and well
educated they would be producers as well as consumers.

Marcus wrote:
|
| Is it worse to incur more debt or to have an infrastructure
| resembling Germany's after WWI?
|
| Marc
|
| http://marccatone.webs.com/untilthebirdschirp.htm

[Jan]

Post by Joan F (MI)
At any rate the real reason for the huge debt is all the unnecessary "wars"
or police actions, etc., that we get involved in. There is a plan to
upgrade our whole nuclear arsenal which already is sufficient to make the
entire earth uninhabitable. Spending on infrastructure boosts economic
activity which results in more incoming tax money. We need to concentrate
on improving our people, adequate nutrition, good schools, health care, etc.
That is what makes a country strong. If everyone was healthy and well
educated they would be producers as well as consumers.
|
| Is it worse to incur more debt or to have an infrastructure
| resembling Germany's after WWI?
|
| Marc
|
| http://marccatone.webs.com/untilthebirdschirp.htm

Define "infrastructure" as either of you view it.

Jan
"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

[Joan F (MI)]

Roads, bridges, tunnels, railroad tracks, water and sewage plants, National
Parks


"Jan" <***@bell.net> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
| >
| Define "infrastructure" as either of you view it.
|
| Jan
| "If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

[Jan]

Post by Joan F (MI)
Roads, bridges, tunnels, railroad tracks, water and sewage plants, National
Parks

How will fixing any of that improve the fiscal situation? All feel good projects
presumably funded by either more debt or higher taxes.

Jan

Post by Joan F (MI)
| >
| Define "infrastructure" as either of you view it.
|
| Jan
| "If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

[Joan F (MI)]

It kickstarts the economy. Money gets paid to workers and providers of
materials. Those people spend the money, individuals on food, housing,
transportation, etc. Businesses spend it on new employees and new raw
materials. Both pay taxes on that money which eventually can repay the
original debt. These are not feel good projects, they are economic stimulus
projects. The availability of good public services encourages businesses to
open new locations as do the new wage earners who now have the money to buy
their products. In addition, people who have needed public support just in
order to live now can support themselves, reducing the need for welfare
programs. Even after these things are all built there needs to be
maintenance which will continue to employ people.


"Jan" <***@bell.net> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
| On Sun, 29 May 2016 11:33:29 -0400, "Joan F \(MI\)" <***@comcast.net>
wrote:
|
| >Roads, bridges, tunnels, railroad tracks, water and sewage plants,
National
| >Parks
|
| How will fixing any of that improve the fiscal situation? All feel good
projects
| presumably funded by either more debt or higher taxes.
|
| Jan
| >
| >
| >"Jan" <***@bell.net> wrote in message
| >news:***@4ax.com...
| >| >
| >| Define "infrastructure" as either of you view it.
| >|
| >| Jan
| >| "If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"
| >
| "If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

[Jan]

Post by Joan F (MI)
It kickstarts the economy. Money gets paid to workers and providers of
materials. Those people spend the money, individuals on food, housing,
transportation, etc. Businesses spend it on new employees and new raw
materials. Both pay taxes on that money which eventually can repay the
original debt. These are not feel good projects, they are economic stimulus
projects. The availability of good public services encourages businesses to
open new locations as do the new wage earners who now have the money to buy
their products. In addition, people who have needed public support just in
order to live now can support themselves, reducing the need for welfare
programs. Even after these things are all built there needs to be
maintenance which will continue to employ people.

As all the items you listed already exist, why is your economy not booming?
Surely maintenance is ongoing, therefore the people are already employed, I agree
that maintenance is essential, but which projects are a federal responsibly rather
than a state or city responsibility?

Jan

Post by Joan F (MI)
|
| >Roads, bridges, tunnels, railroad tracks, water and sewage plants,
National
| >Parks
|
| How will fixing any of that improve the fiscal situation? All feel good
projects
| presumably funded by either more debt or higher taxes.
|
| Jan
| >
| >
| >| >
| >| Define "infrastructure" as either of you view it.
| >|
| >| Jan
| >| "If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"
| >
| "If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

[Marcus]

Post by Jan

Post by Joan F (MI)
It kickstarts the economy. Money gets paid to workers and providers of
materials. Those people spend the money, individuals on food, housing,
transportation, etc. Businesses spend it on new employees and new raw
materials. Both pay taxes on that money which eventually can repay the
original debt. These are not feel good projects, they are economic stimulus
projects. The availability of good public services encourages businesses to
open new locations as do the new wage earners who now have the money to buy
their products. In addition, people who have needed public support just in
order to live now can support themselves, reducing the need for welfare
programs. Even after these things are all built there needs to be
maintenance which will continue to employ people.

As all the items you listed already exist, why is your economy not booming?
Surely maintenance is ongoing, therefore the people are already employed, I agree
that maintenance is essential, but which projects are a federal responsibly rather
than a state or city responsibility?
Jan

Post by Joan F (MI)
|
| >Roads, bridges, tunnels, railroad tracks, water and sewage plants,
National
| >Parks
|
| How will fixing any of that improve the fiscal situation? All feel good
projects
| presumably funded by either more debt or higher taxes.
|
| Jan
| >
| >
| >| >
| >| Define "infrastructure" as either of you view it.
| >|
| >| Jan
| >| "If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"
| >
| "If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

Hey, you're pretty talented...able to channel Ayn Rand and all.

[Jan]

Post by Marcus

Post by Jan

Post by Joan F (MI)
It kickstarts the economy. Money gets paid to workers and providers of
materials. Those people spend the money, individuals on food, housing,
transportation, etc. Businesses spend it on new employees and new raw
materials. Both pay taxes on that money which eventually can repay the
original debt. These are not feel good projects, they are economic stimulus
projects. The availability of good public services encourages businesses to
open new locations as do the new wage earners who now have the money to buy
their products. In addition, people who have needed public support just in
order to live now can support themselves, reducing the need for welfare
programs. Even after these things are all built there needs to be
maintenance which will continue to employ people.

As all the items you listed already exist, why is your economy not booming?
Surely maintenance is ongoing, therefore the people are already employed, I agree
that maintenance is essential, but which projects are a federal responsibly rather
than a state or city responsibility?
Jan

Post by Joan F (MI)
|
| >Roads, bridges, tunnels, railroad tracks, water and sewage plants,
National
| >Parks
|
| How will fixing any of that improve the fiscal situation? All feel good
projects
| presumably funded by either more debt or higher taxes.
|
| Jan
| >
| >
| >| >
| >| Define "infrastructure" as either of you view it.
| >|
| >| Jan
| >| "If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"
| >
| "If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

Hey, you're pretty talented...able to channel Ayn Rand and all.

So, being unable to offer your definition of "infrastructure", thereby displaying
your ignorance, you decide to use deflection, the well-worn ruse of the left-wing
drones.

Jan
"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

[Joan F (MI)]

Our roads and bridges are falling apart. People would save more in auto
repairs than they would pay in more taxes to fix the roads. Particularly in
the Northern part of the U.S. potholes are horrendous. Not enough money has
been spent on maintenance for several years. States are responsible for
their roads except for Interstate roadways which are a federal
responsibility.
These things do not exist in an up to date efficient manner.


"Jan" <***@bell.net> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
|
| As all the items you listed already exist, why is your economy not
booming?
| Surely maintenance is ongoing, therefore the people are already employed,
I agree
| that maintenance is essential, but which projects are a federal
responsibly rather
| than a state or city responsibility?
|
| Jan
| >

[Jan]

Post by Joan F (MI)
Our roads and bridges are falling apart. People would save more in auto
repairs than they would pay in more taxes to fix the roads. Particularly in
the Northern part of the U.S. potholes are horrendous. Not enough money has
been spent on maintenance for several years. States are responsible for
their roads except for Interstate roadways which are a federal
responsibility.
These things do not exist in an up to date efficient manner.

Don't the states and government budget for maintenance if maintenance is their
responsibility? I can, perhaps agree with new shovel-ready projects where states
want to make major changes which fall outside the maintenance aspect, but not for
just maintenance.

Jan

Post by Joan F (MI)
|
| As all the items you listed already exist, why is your economy not
booming?
| Surely maintenance is ongoing, therefore the people are already employed,
I agree
| that maintenance is essential, but which projects are a federal
responsibly rather
| than a state or city responsibility?
|
| Jan
| >

"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

[Joan F (MI)]

Not when they are being run by Republicans. They give tax cuts to
corporations and short the public responsibilities.

"Jan" <***@bell.net> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
| On Tue, 31 May 2016 11:41:26 -0400, "Joan F \(MI\)" <***@comcast.net>
wrote:
|
| >Our roads and bridges are falling apart. People would save more in auto
| >repairs than they would pay in more taxes to fix the roads. Particularly
in
| >the Northern part of the U.S. potholes are horrendous. Not enough money
has
| >been spent on maintenance for several years. States are responsible for
| >their roads except for Interstate roadways which are a federal
| >responsibility.
| >These things do not exist in an up to date efficient manner.
| >
| Don't the states and government budget for maintenance if maintenance is
their
| responsibility? I can, perhaps agree with new shovel-ready projects where
states
| want to make major changes which fall outside the maintenance aspect, but
not for
| just maintenance.
|
| Jan
'

[Jan]

Post by Joan F (MI)
Not when they are being run by Republicans. They give tax cuts to
corporations and short the public responsibilities.

Here's a novel view. Get government interference out of the way and let the private
sector develop jobs. Government does not create jobs, it impedes their creation.

Jan

Post by Joan F (MI)
|
| >Our roads and bridges are falling apart. People would save more in auto
| >repairs than they would pay in more taxes to fix the roads. Particularly
in
| >the Northern part of the U.S. potholes are horrendous. Not enough money
has
| >been spent on maintenance for several years. States are responsible for
| >their roads except for Interstate roadways which are a federal
| >responsibility.
| >These things do not exist in an up to date efficient manner.
| >
| Don't the states and government budget for maintenance if maintenance is
their
| responsibility? I can, perhaps agree with new shovel-ready projects where
states
| want to make major changes which fall outside the maintenance aspect, but
not for
| just maintenance.
|
| Jan
'

"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

[Joan F (MI)]

Yeah, conservatives have been preaching that for years without visible
positive effects. Not so novel.

"Jan" <***@bell.net> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
| Here's a novel view. Get government interference out of the way and let
the private
| sector develop jobs. Government does not create jobs, it impedes their
creation.
|

[Jan]

Post by Joan F (MI)
Yeah, conservatives have been preaching that for years without visible
positive effects. Not so novel.

That's because the left won't make the necessary changes to legislation.

Jan

Post by Joan F (MI)
| Here's a novel view. Get government interference out of the way and let
the private
| sector develop jobs. Government does not create jobs, it impedes their
creation.
|

"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

[Joan F (MI)]

Snort!

"Jan" <***@bell.net> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
| On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 09:35:02 -0400, "Joan F \(MI\)" <***@comcast.net>
wrote:
|
| >Yeah, conservatives have been preaching that for years without visible
| >positive effects. Not so novel.
|
| That's because the left won't make the necessary changes to legislation.
|
| Jan

[Jan]

Post by Joan F (MI)
Snort!

Try a real answer, if you have one.

Jan

Post by Joan F (MI)
|
| >Yeah, conservatives have been preaching that for years without visible
| >positive effects. Not so novel.
|
| That's because the left won't make the necessary changes to legislation.
|
| Jan

"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

[Marcus]

Post by Jan

Post by Joan F (MI)
Snort!

Try a real answer, if you have one.
Jan

Post by Joan F (MI)
|
| >Yeah, conservatives have been preaching that for years without visible
| >positive effects. Not so novel.
|
| That's because the left won't make the necessary changes to legislation.
|
| Jan

"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

That snort is spot on. The irony of a conservative complaining about a lack of legislation since that secret Republican meeting took place on Obama's inauguration night, in which it decided to deliberately thwart anything he proposed as president, is unbelievable. Republicans have deliberately blocked attempts at meaningful change for the past 7 years...EVEN WHEN THE LEGISLATION WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED BY REPUBLICANS!!!!

Republican conservatives and their misbegotten bastard children known as the Tea Party are solely responsible for Washington gridlock.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[Jan]

Post by Marcus

Post by Jan

Post by Joan F (MI)
Snort!

Try a real answer, if you have one.
Jan

Post by Joan F (MI)
|
| >Yeah, conservatives have been preaching that for years without visible
| >positive effects. Not so novel.
|
| That's because the left won't make the necessary changes to legislation.
|
| Jan

"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

That snort is spot on. The irony of a conservative complaining about a lack of legislation since that secret Republican meeting took place on Obama's inauguration night, in which it decided to deliberately thwart anything he proposed as president, is unbelievable. Republicans have deliberately blocked attempts at meaningful change for the past 7 years...EVEN WHEN THE LEGISLATION WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED BY REPUBLICANS!!!!
Republican conservatives and their misbegotten bastard children known as the Tea Party are solely responsible for Washington gridlock.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Your lack of memory should be an embarrassment to you, but obviously you are
incapable of embarrassment. Obama had a liberal house for at least 2 years and did
nothing.

Jan
"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

[Some One]

Post by Joan F (MI)
Not when they are being run by Republicans. They give tax cuts to
corporations and short the public responsibilities.

Too simplistic an analysis. Somewhat more rigorous would be to say that
self-serving assholes can't do right by anyone but themselves, and there
are throngs of them associated with both political parties.

Again, only when dogs morph themselves into high-functioning human
beings.

[Some One]

Post by Joan F (MI)
It kickstarts the economy. Money gets paid to workers and providers of
materials. Those people spend the money, individuals on food, housing,
transportation, etc. Businesses spend it on new employees and new raw
materials. Both pay taxes on that money which eventually can repay the
original debt. These are not feel good projects, they are economic stimulus
projects. The availability of good public services encourages businesses to
open new locations as do the new wage earners who now have the money to buy
their products. In addition, people who have needed public support just in
order to live now can support themselves, reducing the need for welfare
programs. Even after these things are all built there needs to be
maintenance which will continue to employ people.

Neckties (i.e. the evidence of sufficient mass of collective intelligence)
for dogs (people mostly - if not entirely - out for themselves).

You can't give infrastructure intended for advanced human beings to
dogs. They'll just shit piss all over it before utterly destroying it,
because it's doesn't match their nature (i.e. the way they cognitively
model reality).

Figure out how to turn dogs into humans first, or you're just spitting
into the a.f.p.f.. I mean the wind.


.- .---. . . .--- .---. . . .--- =============
/ | | |\ /| | | | |\ | | | is always |
\ | | | \/ | |--- | | | \ | |--- | up |
\ | | | | | | | | \ | | | to |
/ | | | | | | | | \| | | something |
--' '---' ' ' '--- '---' ' ' '--- =============

[Some One]

We need to concentrate on improving our people

How do improve people against their stupidity and/or wills?

I've done my part (i.e. improved me) and suspect that everything will
be just fine as soon as so many idiotic others finally do their part.

But I can't make 'em. I can't even penetrate their stupidity, stupidity
being the incapable-of-seeing-itself thing that it is.

Seems to me there's an insolvable pickle there. So while others are
suffering in their stupidity, and you're suffering in your inability
and/or unwillingness to see that "we" can't do anything for people too
stupid to see and accept and transcend their stupidity, I'm going to
keep enjoying having performed that bootstrap years ago, and try not to
laugh too hard at the rest of you still flailing about in your stupidity.

adequate nutrition, good schools, health care, etc.
That is what makes a country strong. If everyone was healthy and well
educated they would be producers as well as consumers.

But how does that come to pass? Your suggestions amount to nothing more
than lipstick for pigs, neckties for dogs, and pretending it's possible
to make horses drink water that's been brought to them. All that's been
tried so many times that your inability to connect the obvious dots is
nothing short of sadly astounding.


.- .---. . . .--- .---. . . .--- =============
/ | | |\ /| | | | |\ | | | is always |
\ | | | \/ | |--- | | | \ | |--- | up |
\ | | | | | | | | \ | | | to |
/ | | | | | | | | \| | | something |
--' '---' ' ' '--- '---' ' ' '--- =============

[s***@hotmail.com]

Post by Jan

Post by Marcus

Post by s***@yahoo.com

Post by Marcus

Post by JerryD(upstateNY)
Another fact Marcus won't believe and won't look up because it might burst
his bubble by revealing the truth.
Liberals will never believe the truth.
Hillary, in the last two years, has made $21,000,000.00 delivering speeches,
mostly to banks.
Of course, they are not bribes for things she can do for them when she is
elected president.
JerryD(upstateNY)

Here's another thing YOU won't believe. I can't stand Hillary. I'm a Sanders supporter.

yup! I had ewe pegged as a bolshevik bernie fan many months ago.

Well, Sherlock, you probably read that I was a Sanders supporter right here in this newsgroup months ago.

Tough choices. On the one hand a pathological liar, on the other hand a
septuagenarian who would make the 19 trillion debt look like small change.
Jan
"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"

ow soon libs forget that Dole was hat age and they *NEVER* let him live it down

JD