"Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <***@yacht_master.fake> wrote in message
> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 14:17:10 -0600, "Lloyd" <***@londonium.org> wrote:
>>"Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <***@yacht_master.fake> wrote in message
>>> Government has certain rights and duties. Among these
>>> are those given to government by consent of the governed.
>>Government has no rights and cannot grant them either. Governement has
> The federal government has rights which are granted
> it via the Constitution. But, you are correct when
> you say government cannot grant rights as the rights
> of man are God given as delineated in the Bill of Rights
> and the Constitution
>>> The last time I looked the governed have consented to
>>> the existence of local police departments.
>>No argument here. Government is the legitimate body through which citizens
>>can enact force.
>>> The most basic duty of government is to protect the
>>> governed from all aggressors, both foreign and domestic.
>>> Police departments protect the governed from domestic
>>> threats among which black criminal thugs are a real and
>>> present danger.
>>All criminal thugs.
> But black criminal thugs are over represented per
> percentage of population due to their chosen lifestyle
> and a federal government and Democrat Party that has
> usurped the duties of authoritarian fatherhood. Government
> has failed in these duties because government cannot
> possibly succeed in them.
>>>>A citizen, if in error, stands to lose all they own.
>>> Indeed but they are still entitled to a jury trial.
>>A jury trial by their peers.No professional juries.
> Indeed. But, have you noticed the trend towards a
> jury of 6? Seems to me this needs to be an option
> only and a citizen should be able to demand a jury
> of twelve because it double the chances of a hung
> jury and mistrial.
>>>>On the other hand, government can profit from the same action, as the
>>>>solution to any government problem seems to be more government.
>>> This is too often true. But, it's the fault of the governed
>>> who don't rail against more government. And, it is the
>>> right of the governed to do or not do as they will as long
>>> as they keep it lawful.
>>To an extent it is the fault of the governed. When corrupt individuals in
>>the government control the media, control sectors of the government I
>>haven't decided if it is entirely the peoples fault. For example, is
>>Clinton your fault?
> To a certain extent, yes. Hillary is the product of a liberal
> education (indoctrination) and myself and others have just
> not spoken out loudly enough and taken affirmative action at
> the ballot box against leftist politicians who institute said
> indoctrination. It boils down to - you get the government you
>>>>It may take a generation or two, but bring back child labor and lower
>>>>minimum wage - it will straighten America right out!
>>> Children should ALL be pressed into four years of military or
>>> civilian service at age 18. These service requirements should
>>> include de-programming to defeat the 18 years of public
>>> education indoctrination they have received.
>>I don't agree. 4 years is too short. It should be a lifetime of service as
>>militia (similar to the Swiss), but in exchange for service you have
>>the right to vote.
> I won't argue with that. I'd be for a graduated vote, however.
> Felons should be allowed to vote but their vote should have only
> 1/10 the weight of a fully-qualified vote. Women should have half
> a vote. IQ should be tied to voting as in the lower the IQ, the
> less the vote is worth.
> Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
> "It is my learned opinion that a man
> should not mince words just to spare
> the sensibilities of the thin-skinned
> or the ignorant."
Great minds think alike Mr Hall.